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Carth` · Aug 29, 2006, 08:42 AM // 08:42

Another problem with IQ tests is that, like all tests, they can be practised. If someone practises IQ tests a lot, they can boost their score because they are becoming good at solving the type of questions they contain. If two people took an IQ test and got the same score, then one of them practised and trained themselves to be better at them, does that make him more intelligent?

I think that although you can describe someone as "intelligent", there is no quantifiable concept of intelligence. As Lasareth said, people's minds are good at different things. And furthermore, people can train their minds to be better at things. Some people who are excellent at arithmetic struggle with language, and vice versa. Some people are very creative, others are very logical. Some people have good memories. Some people are good socially and empathically. Some of this is by design and upbringing, some is innate skill.

I understand that one person can be more intelligent than another, but that is all. You can't quantify it.

Yanman.be · Aug 29, 2006, 09:21 AM // 09:21

Just got 126 from some dutch site. And 130 for general knowledge.

Former Ruling · Aug 29, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

the I.Q isn't advertised as "smart or not" test anymore, it is just a "potential of your brain" type test.

Outside factors determine if you USE this potential.

EDIT:
I went a popular IQ test site.

I TOTALLY just marked random answers to its 36 questions (done in under a minute), and the IQ it have me was 145.

GG

Amonster666 · Aug 30, 2006, 10:35 PM // 22:35

y invent IQ in the first place, couldnt they just say, oooo u look smart, lets have ya :P

plus, maybe u could test every1 here with a IQ test of the web. it may not be what u r on about, but hey, bring more customers to the subject.

shadow-drinker · Aug 30, 2006, 11:00 PM // 23:00

it's rather controversial... of course we can say it's just a number but then we think of guys like albert einstein who was one of the smartest persons in all world and he had a QI of 181 BUT he had dificulties in passing trought the first 4 years of school
I allready did a few... not because i believe but because in my country it's kind of a need to enter in some jobs... i got an average of 138,3(you made me do the average of 7 exams... i hate you all :P ) but I'm usually known as a wild mind and very creative. it's not the number that matters but the real ideas and habilities... what good do i get for having a QI of 180? nothing... it just means I'm dependant of school books and that i have a lot of free time in which I only do those weird problem books...
it's the habits, life and even some "luck" that makes us be smarter or not...
and even the dumbiest person of entire world MUST have a special thing where he knows a lot... I suck at sports for exemple :P

The Real Roy Keane · Aug 31, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Originally Posted by shadow-drinker

it's rather controversial... of course we can say it's just a number but then we think of guys like albert einstein who was one of the smartest persons in all world and he had a QI of 181 BUT he had dificulties in passing trought the first 4 years of school

A lot of brilliant minds of the past, Einstein included, could well be diagnosed with Autism or other mental illnesses today. While they excelled far beyond the average person in certain areas, namely science or maths, they struggled with simple tasks like communication.

Sli Ander · Sep 01, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

If I remember correctly Einstein was completely horrible at math, (not just because the tests were in an unfamiliar language). He hired a guy(can't remember his name) to do the math behind all his theories, including the whole E=mc squared for which he is most famous.
Einstein is arguably the genius of the century, yet it was his ingenuity/creative way of looking at a problem which is the backing for that claim.(imo)

Sam Stormwind · Sep 01, 2006, 10:49 PM // 22:49

YEh IQ seems a bit of crappy way to measure " intelligence " ive got an IQ of 128 yet i failed all my a-levels cos im a lazy bum who spends to much time socialising and playing GW yet sum ppl who have lower IQ's work harder and are off to university are they the stupids ones or am i.

PS Rhetorical question

Carth` · Sep 01, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

The really clever people will get As without trying.

I saw the same though. There were some people who weren't all that bright, more average, but they tried really, really hard, and these people got Bs and some As. Then there were people who were just as clever, but didn't try. They got Ds and Cs. For the most part tests in schools don't really measure how clever you are, they measure how hard you work and revise for tests. Nothing at school, even at A-Level, was particularly hard, it just requires practising and memorising, or putting time into it in some way.

Ulivious The Reaper · Sep 01, 2006, 11:53 PM // 23:53

wow, i took one iq test online scored a 105, took a different one scored a 180... wtf >.< these things are NOT accurate, end of story :|

Opeth11 · Sep 02, 2006, 07:31 AM // 07:31

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Originally Posted by Sli Ander

If I remember correctly Einstein was completely horrible at math, (not just because the tests were in an unfamiliar language). He hired a guy(can't remember his name) to do the math behind all his theories, including the whole E=mc squared for which he is most famous.
Einstein is arguably the genius of the century, yet it was his ingenuity/creative way of looking at a problem which is the backing for that claim.(imo)

I'm not sure if he did hire someone to do all the mathematics, but I am sure that he dropped out of high school.

Relativity scares me.

Malice Black · Sep 04, 2006, 01:32 AM // 01:32

most of the great minds form the last couple hundred years would have been classed as disabled in some form or another

some of the greatest artists had some mental issues

one of the great minds alive today (steven hawkins) has "issues"

bill gates has issues

see the pattern..

Divinitys Creature · Sep 04, 2006, 10:14 PM // 22:14

IQ is limited in assesing intelligence as everyone has said. You will have several step-changes in IQ or IQ jumps during childhood and these can happen at different ages for different people and will stabilise when you are an adult.

IQ tests can be practised. Mensa, the high-IQ society say there are two kinds of intelligence that are knowledge and ability to think. I think most IQ tests are unscientific because they ask you to answer a lot of questions in a short time. The first problem is you may just screw up in such a short time and so the test is not representative. You should do many tests over a longer period of time and take averages.

Secondly, real difficult problems need not be timed - you may be able to solve something really difficult at your own pace that nobody else can, even though you suck at the high-pressure 3/4 second Mesmer speed questions you get on most IQ tests. At that speed your writing ability comes into play as writing an answer (in the checkbox) could take a big part of your time answering a question. If it takes you .3 second to check the box and someone else takes 0.45 seconds the tests start to measure writing ability as much as intelligence.

Stockholm · Sep 04, 2006, 10:24 PM // 22:24

IQ tests measure your ability to solve problems and use logic while doing so.
When the IQ number is calculated the time it did take you to complet the test is also taken in to account, I have seen ppl with 100% right anwsers get lower IQ numbers than ppl with 85-95% correct anwsers but faster times. It is all about how you utelis your brain capacity, so If you get stuck on a question leave it and move to the next. Also DO NOT over analyse, alot of the questions are pure logic.

On the other hand.
The IQ tests that involve muliple parts are more accuret, but the are only given in person and include verbal questioning, discussions, vocabulary, logic, timed reading followed by verbal test on the subject, plus what ever other subject is relevant to the reson for the test. They are given by institutes around the world and those are the IQ tests that Einstain and other famous geiniuses where mesured by.
The online ones are just a small part of complet test(the multiple choise part)

Divinitys Creature · Sep 05, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

Stockholm is a genius :P

DJJD2006 · Sep 05, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

It said I had an IQ of 119... I know thats wrong Im at least at Mensa level

Gigashadow · Sep 05, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

People with low or average IQs are generally not big fans of IQ tests. That's why they invented the concept of "emotional intelligence".

Stockholm · Sep 05, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Divinitys Creature

Stockholm is a genius :P

Not at all, I am not even near the 185 mark, but 30-40 years ago alot off children where put through these tests, lasting between 2 to 3 day's, thats how I know about them

Yanman.be · Sep 05, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Haha QFT. Also, IQ tests have become too easy. ( try an early IQ test, like 70's or 50's... ) *edit* I mean, a test from the 50's is waaay too easy for a person who lives now.

tommarrow · Sep 05, 2006, 08:22 PM // 20:22

I remember about 2 years ago there was a IQ special in TV where the people in studio were broken up into different groups like teachers, models, doctors and such. There were about 100 questions but you only had 20 seconds to answer each one. I had recorded the show and would pause after each question. I got everyone right because the questions were not very hard but I do not think I could have done it within the time given for each question. Now does it make you smarter than someone else if you can answer the question in 20 seconds and it takes the other guy 45 seconds but you both still get the correct answer?